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		<title>Anthony Esolen on Timeless Hymns</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[What makes for a "timeless hymn"?  Prof. Anthony Esolen (Thomas More College) discusses his recent book "Real Music: A Guide to the Timeless Hymns of the Church," and shares with us the importance of singing and poetry for the faithful.  We review a number of important themes found within various hymns and reference a few of the greats over the past several centuries.

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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>St. Augustine once said, &#8220;He who sings, prays twice.&#8221;  Music has been a powerful component of Christian worship for its entire existence, and <strong><span style="color: #003300;">Prof. Anthony Esolen</span></strong>, a faculty fellow at <strong><span style="color: #003300;">Thomas More College of Liberal Arts</span></strong>, joins us to discuss the nature and importance of the truly timeless hymns.  We begin as we usually do with a chat about our guest&#8217;s personal background.  Dr. Esolen enlightens us about Thomas More College (in Merrimack, New Hampshire), a new program he is setting up, and why he decided to translate a work of literature that had already been translated (Dante&#8217;s Inferno).  Following that brief discussion, we dive into the world of religious music and start off with a wonderful thought by St. Augustine who said, &#8220;He who sings, prays twice.&#8221;  Prof. Esolen explains the importance of music in worship and observes that the first element to go in a church on the verge of decline is the music.  We then discuss &#8220;timeless hymns&#8221; and Tony (Esolen) lays out a list of characteristics that make such music so enduring including the fact that they are passed down over generations, but also other aspects such as logical progressions from stanza to stanza, proper word choice and imagery, and the meter of the song.  Esolen notes how much of contemporary Christian music is too maudlin, prompting Tony (Gill) to make an odd reference to Seals &amp; Croft from the 1970s.</p>
<p>Our conversation also covers why some periods in history tended to create a great flourishing of hymns, and Dr. Esolen makes an argument that we are in the doldrums now (and have been for the past century) as our culture has lost its connection to poetry.  Noting the importance of poetry throughout all cultures and eras, he explains this loss as the result of academics making poetry too esoteric and cut off from common people (who have used poetry to tell stories throughout the ages).  He also warns of the dangers of making poetry to overtly political.  Later in the interview, we also discuss why Protestants did so well in crafting timeless hymns in the 18th and 19th centuries, noting that they had a mission to take the Scriptures to the average person in the pews.  He sings the praises of folks such as the Wesleys and Robert Bridges.</p>
<p>The second half of our discussion walks through a series of themes that are found in hymns, starting with their origins in the Psalms.  Prof. Esolen points out that Jesus prayed the Psalms and that music was important from the earliest stages of Christianity, as noted by St. Paul.  We also discuss the difficulty in translating Hebrew, which is a much more &#8220;concentrated&#8221; language, into English in a way that preserved the meter, meaning, and poetry of the original verses written in the Old Testament.   It is at this point where we feature a clip from the CD included with Real Music, Prof. Esolen&#8217;s book.  The first one is &#8220;The King of Love My Shepherd Is,&#8221; written by Henry Baker (1868) and performed by the St. Cecilia Choir at St. John Cantius Church in Chicago, Illinois.  (All music clips are from the same choir.)  Another important theme within the great hymns examines the divine nature of Jesus.  Here we listen to and discuss &#8220;Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence,&#8221; by Gerard Moultrie (1864).  Other themes include the importance of the Nativity, which although we frequently attribute to a time of great merriment in our Christmas carols, was a time of great tribulations for people in Judea.  Dr. Esolen helps us understand the critical difference between &#8220;joy&#8221; and &#8220;pleasure,&#8221; noting that joy and sorrow are two emotions that are often linked together as they were at the birth of Jesus.  The hymn illustrating the Nativity is &#8220;Of the Father&#8217;s Love Begotten&#8221; (John Mason Neale&#8217;s 1854 translation of a 4th century hymn).  We also discuss the music teaching us of the Crucifixion and Resurrection (with &#8220;Ah, Holy Jesus,&#8221; by Robert Bridges) and &#8220;the Church militant,&#8221; a set of songs that encourage congregants to take their faith forward into the world.  Here Dr. Esolen explains how our culture has done itself a disservice recently by downplaying the martial energy of young men that could be brought to bear for the promotion of Christianity.  He notes that &#8220;battle themes&#8221; are common in the Bible and religious music over time.  We listen to Charles Wesley&#8217;s &#8220;Soldiers of Christ, Arise&#8221; and Tony (Esolen) points out the powerful nature of such music.</p>
<p>We finish our discussion by asking our guest what he would tell a young Tony Esolen some 30 or 40 years ago at the outset of his career.  Tony, the RoR host, presses Tony, the guest, to talk about some of the things he has learned over the decades and Prof. Esolen cautions us on the decay of culture over this period and how we must trust the Word of God.  Recorded: December 29, 2017.</p>
<p>(Note:  Copyright permission for music clips provided by TAN Books and Fr. Scott Haynes of St. Cecilia Choir.  Documents on file with host.)</p>
<p>RELATED LINKS</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://www.thomasmorecollege.edu/blog/faculty-staff/dr-anthony-esolen/" target="_blank">Prof. Anthony Esolen&#8217;s bio</a> at <a href="http://www.thomasmorecollege.edu/" target="_blank">Thomas More College of Liberal Arts</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Real-Music-Guide-Timeless-Church/dp/1618907026" target="_blank">Real Music: A Guide to the Timeless Hymns of the Church</a></em>, by Anthony Esolen.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ironies-Faith-Laughter-Christian-Literature/dp/1933859318/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" target="_blank">Ironies of Faith: The Laughter at the Heart of Christian Literature</a></em>, by Anthony Esolen.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Out-Ashes-Rebuilding-American-Culture/dp/1621575144/ref=pd_sim_14_1?_encoding=UTF8&amp;pd_rd_i=1621575144&amp;pd_rd_r=M5RAJEGMW8YFVEMN8H06&amp;pd_rd_w=GnLWF&amp;pd_rd_wg=ptVzA&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=M5RAJEGMW8YFVEMN8H06" target="_blank">Out of the Ashes: Rebuilding America&#8217;s Culture</a></em>, by Anthony Esolen.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ways-Destroy-Imagination-Your-Child/dp/1610170792/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" target="_blank">Ten Ways to Destroy the Imagination of Your Child</a></em>, by Anthony Esolen.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Angels-Barbarians-Nincompoops-Anthony-Esolen/dp/1505108748/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" target="_blank">Angels, Barbarians, and Nincompoops and a Lot of Other Words You Thought You Knew</a></em>, by Anthony Esolen.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Anthony-Esolen/e/B001ITX3JW/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1514779024&amp;sr=1-2-ent" target="_blank">Anthony Esolen&#8217;s Amazon page</a> (with other books and translations).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://touchstonemag.com/" target="_blank"><em>Touchstone</em> </a>(magazine where Anthony Esolen is a Senior Editor).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://www.cantius.org/" target="_blank">St. John Cantius Church</a> (Chicago), home of the <a href="http://www.cantius.org/go/music/category/choirs_of_st_john_cantius/" target="_blank">St. Cecilia Choir</a>.</p>
<p>RELATED PODCASTS</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/historical-topics/robert-coote-on-the-27-most-popular-hymns" target="_blank">Robert Coote on the 27 Most Popular Hymns and Amazing Grace</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/historical-topics/mark-lawson-jones-on-christmas-carols" target="_blank">Mark Lawson-Jones on Christmas Carols</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/church-organization/ryan-habig-on-music-ministry-and-with-us-a-habig-original-song" target="_blank">Ryan Habig on Music Ministry and &#8220;With Us&#8221; (an original song)</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/christianity/jim-houser-on-the-christian-music-industry" target="_blank">Jim Houser on the Christian Music Industry</a>.</p>
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		<title>Daniel Dreisbach on Abe Lincoln&#8217;s Religious Rhetoric</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being in the midst of the sesquicentennial of the US Civil War, we examine the religious rhetoric used by one of that era's looming figures, Abraham Lincoln.  Prof. Daniel Dreisbach of American University explores the religious phrases, themes, and cadence of Lincoln's two most famous speeches -- The Gettysburg Address and the Second Inaugural Address.  

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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the sesquicentennial anniversary of the waning months of the US Civil War, <strong><span style="color: #003300;">Dr. Daniel Dreisbach</span> </strong>&#8212; professor of Justice, Law, and Society at <span style="color: #003300;"><strong>American University</strong> </span>&#8212; stops by to discuss the use of religion in Abraham Lincoln&#8217;s rhetoric.  We pay special attention to Lincoln&#8217;s most famous, and shortest, speeches &#8211; the Gettysburg Address and the Second Inaugural.</p>
<p>The conversation starts with an examination into the use of biblical language dating back to the earliest days of colonial America.  Prof. Dreisbach notes three consistent aspects of political language used from the early 17th century through Lincoln&#8217;s era: 1) the citizenry was biblically literate; 2) the nation was by and large Protestant; and 3) there was a vision of America as being God&#8217;s &#8220;new Israel.&#8221;  We revisit some themes of earlier podcasts with Mark David Hall regarding how many of the Founding Fathers of the revolutionary era were influenced heavily by religious thinking, despite the best known Founders (e.g., Madison, Jefferson) being more influenced by the Enlightenment.</p>
<p>The interview then jumps over to the early life and times of Abraham Lincoln, a descendant of Puritans and born into a family that was active in a Calvinist Baptist tradition.  While Daniel points out that Abe was known to ridicule preachers and exhibit some skepticism about his theological upbringing in his teen and early adult years, Lincoln was unmistakably shaped by the religious milieu of his time.  The role of the <em>King James Version Bible</em> weighed heavily in his early education and was the dominant translation of Scripture in America during the early 19th century.  Prof. Dreisbach points out some of the unique aspects of the KJV Bible with respect to its use of words and cadence that made it accessible to a &#8220;less educated&#8221; (or ploughboy) population.  Tony notes that given Lincoln&#8217;s humble upbringing, this version of the <em>Bible</em> would seem to resonate with Lincoln.</p>
<p>We then move to Lincoln&#8217;s political career observing that the use of religious rhetoric in speeches was apparent quite early, including in his Young Men&#8217;s Lyceum and &#8220;House Divided&#8221; speeches.  Lincoln comes to the White House at a time when states are seceding from the republic and his First Inaugural Address takes on a more &#8220;workman&#8221; flavor, laying out the difficulties facing the divided nation, though at the end there are references to the &#8220;better angels of our nature.&#8221;  The podcast then fast forwards to the Gettysburg Address, given several months after the famed battle, and turning point, of the Civil War.  Daniel fills us in on some of the background of the speech itself, dismissing the popular notion that it was written on the back of an envelope during the president&#8217;s train ride to Pennsylvania.  Instead, Prof. Dreisbach points out that it is a carefully crafted speech with language that is  not directly taken from the Bible, but calls strongly upon its use of particular words and phrases.  He recounts a number of these portions of the speech and further observes that in its spoken form it has a cadence that is reminiscent of the <em>King James Bible</em>.  The theme of conception, birth, death, and re-birth is also highlighted.</p>
<p>With Gettysburg and Vicksburg behind us, and the war drawing to a close, we then examine Lincoln&#8217;s Second Inaugural Address, which also clocks in as a remarkably short speech.  Unlike the Gettysburg Address, though, the Second Inaugural uses references to God and the <em>Bible</em> more directly.  Daniel observes that this is not a speech that gloats upon (inevitable) victory by the Union forces, but instead develops a tone of reconciliation and noting that all parties in the conflict have borne the costs of the sin of slavery that blemished this young nation.  We discuss whether the concept of providence was a strong theme in the speech, with Daniel taking a very nuanced version of this question and noting that Lincoln was circumspect in seeing the United States as the &#8220;new Israel&#8221; as earlier Puritans had done.  We finish with some of Dr. Dreisbach&#8217;s personal reflections on what he learned in studying Lincoln&#8217;s rhetoric and what it means for our understanding of our modern times.  Recorded: March 6, 2015.</p>
<p>(Note: Tony is well aware of his odd pronunciations of &#8220;rhetoric&#8221; and &#8220;address&#8221; and was surprised at how &#8220;ploughboy&#8221; he sounded when reviewing the tape.)</p>
<p>RELATED LINKS</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Dreisbach" href="http://www.american.edu/spa/faculty/ddreisb.cfm" target="_blank">Daniel Dreisbach&#8217;s bio</a> at the School of Public Affairs, American University.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;<a title="700 Words" href="http://www.libertylawsite.org/2015/03/04/lincolns-700-words-of-biblical-meditation/" target="_blank">Lincoln&#8217;s 700 Words of Biblical Meditation</a>,&#8221; by Daniel Dreisbach (at the <a title="Library of Law Liberty" href="http://www.libertylawsite.org/" target="_blank">Library of Law &amp; Liberty</a>).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;<a title="Sacred Sounds" href="http://www.libertylawsite.org/2013/11/19/the-sacred-sounds-of-lincolns-gettysburg-address/" target="_blank">The Sacred Sounds of Lincoln&#8217;s Gettysburg Address</a>,&#8221; by Daniel Dreisbach (at the Library of Law &amp; Liberty).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Faith and Founders" href="http://www.amazon.com/Founders-American-Republic-Daniel-Dreisbach/dp/019984335X/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1425669778&amp;sr=1-2" target="_blank"><em>Faith and the Founders of the American Republic</em></a>, edited by Daniel Dreisbach and Mark Hall.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Sacred Rights" href="http://www.amazon.com/Daniel-Dreisbach-Conscience-Religious-Church-State/dp/B008UBABRI/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1425669828&amp;sr=1-6" target="_blank"><em>The Sacred Rights of Conscience</em></a>, edited by Daniel Dreisbach and Mark Hall.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Forgotten Founders" href="http://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Founders-Religion-Public-Life/dp/0268026025/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1425669828&amp;sr=1-8" target="_blank"><em>The Forgotten Founders on Religion and Public Life</em></a>, edited by Daniel Dreisbach, Mark Hall, and Jeffry Morrison.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Wall of Separationi" href="http://www.amazon.com/Jefferson-Separation-Between-Critical-America/dp/0814719368/ref=sr_1_14?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1425669973&amp;sr=1-14" target="_blank">Thomas Jefferson and the Wall of Separation between Church and State</a>, by Daniel Dreisbach.</p>
<p>RELATED PODCASTS</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Sean Scott on Religious Rhetoric in the US Civil War" href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/historical-topics/sean-scott-on-religious-rhetoric-in-the-us-civil-war">Sean Scott on Religious Rhetoric in the US Civil War</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Mark David Hall on Religion &amp; the Founding Fathers" href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/historical-topics/hall-on-religion-the-founding-fathers">Mark David Hall on Religion and the Founding Fathers</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Mark David Hall on Roger Sherman, Puritan Patriot" href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/historical-topics/hall-on-roger-sherman-puritan-patriot">Mark David Hall on Roger Sherman, Puritan Patriot</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Mark David Hall on Religious Minorities in the U.S. Founding" href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/historical-topics/mark-david-hall-on-religious-minorities-in-the-u-s-founding">Mark David Hall on Religious Minorities in the American Founding</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Chris Beneke on Religion, Markets, and the Founding Era" href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/church-organization/chris-beneke-on-religion-markets-and-the-founding-era">Chris Beneke on Religion, Markets, and the Founding Era</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="John Fea on Religion &amp; the American Founding" href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/uncategorized/fea-on-religion-the-american-founding">John Fea on Religion and the American Founding</a>.</p>
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