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		<title>David Smith on Episodic Religious Persecutions (Encore Presentation)</title>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the United States is often viewed as a beacon for religious freedom around the world, thanks in large part to the institutionalization of the First Amendment, the practice of religious toleration has often fallen well short of the ideals set for itself.  <strong>Prof. David Smith</strong>, lecturer in the <strong>Department of Government &amp; International Relations</strong> and a faculty member at the <strong>United States Studies Center</strong> at the <strong>University of Sydney</strong> (Australia), discusses his explanation for episodic religious persecution in the United States.  Using the Latter Day Saints in the 19th century and Jehovah’s Witnesses in the early 20th century as comparative case studies, he argues that religious minorities that are seen as threats to the established political order will quickly find themselves victims of state-sanctioned persecution.</p>
<p>We begin the discussion with Prof. Smith’s personal journey to this topic.  For an Australian studying American politics, a field dominated by quantitative studies of contemporary political behavior, the choice of such a historical topic seems a bit unique.  Nonetheless, David points out how the eyes of a foreigner can often uncover interesting behavioral patterns that often go unnoticed by natives.  This leads us to a discussion of how “mythic ideals” within a nation often do not match with historical practice, particularly given that human beings are quite fallible when it comes to reaching noble goals.</p>
<p>David then jumps into a detailed elaboration of the persecuted path of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (i.e., Mormons) in the 19th century, from their early days in New York and Ohio, through an “extermination order” in Missouri, to the mob execution of their leader Joseph Smith, and finally through their travails into Utah territory and the struggles to become a state.  Along the way, David drops hints at his explanation to come, including how the presence of the Mormons in different areas affected the political calculus among existing elites.  David places the debates over polygamy and political partisanship into a context of broader struggles for political power that were affecting the nation in the pre- and post-Civil War era.  We learn some interesting things about how Harriet Beecher Stowe, famed feminist crusader, changed her position on whether or not Mormon women should be given the right to vote, and how Reed Smoot (half of the infamous Smoot-Hawley tariff act) was prevented from taking his seat in the US Senate because of ongoing concerns over polygamy.</p>
<p>We then jump into the early 20th century to discuss the rise of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, a seemingly innocuous group of Christians who refused to salute the flag or have their children recite the Pledge of Allegiance in school.  Such actions, combined with their visible proselytizing presence, provoked a number of local organizations such as the American Legion to consider them a serious threat to American nationalism.  Combined with concern over the balance of political power at the local level and their stand against military service at a time war was on the horizon, a rash of physical harassment of Witnesses arose in the late 1930s and early 1940s, dissipating around 1941/42 when roughly half of the Witnesses young male missionaries were jailed.  We further discuss the reasons why the Witnesses were targetted, but not groups such as the Mennonites and Amish, another religious group that resisted military service and spoke German!</p>
<p>Prof. Smith shows how both of these instances of religious persecution were theoretically linked by how each group — Mormons and Witnesses — were perceived as a political threat to the existing state power structure.  We then discuss how his explanation played out in other historic instances of religious persecution (or lack thereof) including Catholics, Jews, and the Nation of Islam (a homegrown Muslim group).  Interestingly, while the Nation of Islam was facing persecution (around the time of the Witnesses), political authorities were encouraging Muslim immigration from overseas.  We also explore why Muslims over the past decade and a half (since September 11, 2001) have not seen the levels of persecution or harassment experienced by the Mormons and Witnesses.  David closes with some thoughts on how future persecutions might be contained.  Recorded: January 7, 2014.</p>
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<p>RELATED LINKS</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://sydney.edu.au/arts/government_international_relations/staff/profiles/david.smith.php">David Smith’s bio</a> at the <a href="http://sydney.edu.au/arts/government_international_relations/">Department of Government &amp; International Relations</a> at the <a href="http://sydney.edu.au/">University of Sydney</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Religious-Persecution-Political-Cambridge-Religion/dp/1107539897/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1525972011&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=Religious+Persecution+and+Political+Order+in+the+United+States" target="_blank"><em>Religious Persecution and Political Order in the United States</em></a>, by David Smith.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://ussc.edu.au/">United States Studies Centre</a> at the University of Sydney.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Despite being a nation prided upon religious freedom, the United States has witnessed several episodes of intense persecution of religious minorities.  Prof. David Smith (University of Sydney) discusses why these episodic violations of civil liberties happen with specific reference to the Latter Day Saints in the mid-19th century and the Jehovah's Witnesses in the early 20th century.  He links these (and other) events to the threat that they generate towards the political status quo.  We also discuss how this may relate to harassment of Catholics, Jews, and Muslims in US history over the past two centuries.

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<p>Although the United States is often viewed as a beacon for religious freedom around the world, thanks in large part to the institutionalization of the First Amendment, the practice of religious toleration has often fallen well short of the ideals set for itself.  <strong><span style="color: #003300;">Prof. David Smith</span></strong>, lecturer in the <strong><span style="color: #003300;">Department of Government &amp; International Relations</span> </strong>and a faculty member at the <strong><span style="color: #003300;">United States Studies Center</span> </strong>at the <strong><span style="color: #003300;">University of Sydney</span> </strong>(Australia), discusses his explanation for episodic religious persecution in the United States.  Using the Latter Day Saints in the 19th century and Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses in the early 20th century as comparative case studies, he argues that religious minorities that are seen as threats to the established political order will quickly find themselves victims of state-sanctioned persecution.</p>
<p>We begin the discussion with Prof. Smith&#8217;s personal journey to this topic.  For an Australian studying American politics, a field dominated by quantitative studies of contemporary political behavior, the choice of such a historical topic seems a bit unique.  Nonetheless, David points out how the eyes of a foreigner can often uncover interesting behavioral patterns that often go unnoticed by natives.  This leads us to a discussion of how &#8220;mythic ideals&#8221; within a nation often do not match with historical practice, particularly given that human beings are quite fallible when it comes to reaching noble goals.</p>
<p>David then jumps into a detailed elaboration of the persecuted path of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (i.e., Mormons) in the 19th century, from their early days in New York and Ohio, through an &#8220;extermination order&#8221; in Missouri, to the mob execution of their leader Joseph Smith, and finally through their travails into Utah territory and the struggles to become a state.  Along the way, David drops hints at his explanation to come, including how the presence of the Mormons in different areas affected the political calculus among existing elites.  David places the debates over polygamy and political partisanship into a context of broader struggles for political power that were affecting the nation in the pre- and post-Civil War era.  We learn some interesting things about how Harriet Beecher Stowe, famed feminist crusader, changed her position on whether or not Mormon women should be given the right to vote, and how Reed Smoot (half of the infamous Smoot-Hawley tariff act) was prevented from taking his seat in the US Senate because of ongoing concerns over polygamy.</p>
<p>We then jump into the early 20th century to discuss the rise of the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses, a seemingly innocuous group of Christians who refused to salute the flag or have their children recite the Pledge of Allegiance in school.  Such actions, combined with their visible proselytizing presence, provoked a number of local organizations such as the American Legion to consider them a serious threat to American nationalism.  Combined with concern over the balance of political power at the local level and their stand against military service at a time war was on the horizon, a rash of physical harassment of Witnesses arose in the late 1930s and early 1940s, dissipating around 1941/42 when roughly half of the Witnesses young male missionaries were jailed.  We further discuss the reasons why the Witnesses were targetted, but not groups such as the Mennonites and Amish, another religious group that resisted military service and spoke German!</p>
<p>Prof. Smith shows how both of these instances of religious persecution were theoretically linked by how each group &#8212; Mormons and Witnesses &#8212; were perceived as a political threat to the existing state power structure.  We then discuss how his explanation played out in other historic instances of religious persecution (or lack thereof) including Catholics, Jews, and the Nation of Islam (a homegrown Muslim group).  Interestingly, while the Nation of Islam was facing persecution (around the time of the Witnesses), political authorities were encouraging Muslim immigration from overseas.  We also explore why Muslims over the past decade and a half (since September 11, 2001) have not seen the levels of persecution or harassment experienced by the Mormons and Witnesses.  David closes with some thoughts on how future persecutions might be contained.  Recorded: January 7, 2014.</p>
<p>RELATED LINKS</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Smith" href="http://sydney.edu.au/arts/government_international_relations/staff/profiles/david.smith.php" target="_blank">David Smith&#8217;s bio</a> at the <a title="Dept of Government" href="http://sydney.edu.au/arts/government_international_relations/" target="_blank">Department of Government &amp; International Relations</a> at the <a title="University of Sydney" href="http://sydney.edu.au/" target="_blank">University of Sydney</a>.</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Lynita Newswander on Mormons in America" href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/uncategorized/lynita-newswander-on-mormons-in-america" target="_blank">Lynita Newswander on Mormons in America</a>.</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Mark Koyama on the Economics of Jewish Expulsions" href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/historical-topics/mark-koyama-on-the-economics-of-jewish-expulsions" target="_blank">Mark Koyama on Jewish Expulsions</a>.</p>
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<p>With Mitt Romney running for president of the United States, there has been a heightened interest to learn about the Mormon faith.  We tackle this subject once again on our show by examining the historical legacy and contemporary impact that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has had on US culture and politics.  <strong><span style="color: #003300;">Prof. Lynita Newswander</span></strong>, and adjunct professor of political science at the <strong><span style="color: #003300;">University of South Dakota</span></strong>, joins us to discuss her recent book, <em>LDS in the USA</em>, co-authored with Lee Trepanier.  The book itself is interesting given that it represents a collaboration between a scholar who is Mormon (Newswander) and one who is not (Trepanier).  We discuss the reasons for this interesting collaboration as well as for why the book ended up with the title that it did.  Tony proposes the book should have its own theme song based upon the popular Bruce Springsteen song &#8220;Born in the USA&#8221; and actually sings a few lines from what he thinks that song should sound like &#8212; a very special treat for our regular listeners.  We then dive into a brief history of Mormonism with Lynita pointing out that Mormons, due to persecution, became emigrants from their own country only to have that country catch up with them in the midst of Westward expansion, making them immigrants in a nation which they still retained citizenship in.  This creates a certain tenor to LDS history, wherein members have seen themselves as both outsiders and insiders in American history making them what Brigham Young called &#8220;a peculiar people.&#8221;  Our discussion covers how Mormons have conformed to and shaped &#8220;core American values&#8221; including the notions of diversity, tolerance, and family.  Prof. Newswander shares her unique perspective on Mormon identity growing up outside of Utah and as a member of a religious minority group in Texas and why she found her recent trip to Salt Lake City to be rather interesting.  She notes that there is a strong tendency within the LDS Church for members to want to group together, which in effect continues to make the religion rather distinct, a feeling that she experienced when she went to school at BYU.  We continue with the interview noting how Mormon influences have made their way into American culture, from Donny and Marie Osmond in the 1970s to the best-selling author Stephenie Meyer (the &#8220;Twighlight&#8221; series) and to their appearance on reality TV shows more recently.  The conversation then turns to the controversial topic of Jell-O consumption and whether Utah or Iowa holds the title for highest per capita consumption of that convenient snack food.  We also discuss how the non-Mormon media has recently portrayed the LDS faith through such shows as <em>Big Love</em> and <em>Sister Wives</em>.  This brings up the issue of polygamy and Lynita clarifies how the main branch of the LDS Church has long ago renounced this practice even though some offshoot sects of the faith still practice it.  We discuss how shows such as <em>Big Love</em> often give a skewed view of what Mormons actually believe and do.  All of this is within the context of the American ideal of religious tolerance, which we note that Americans sometimes have a hard time living up to.  Our podcast finishes with a discussion of Mitt Romney and the role that he is playing in making Mormonism a more accepted faith within American society.  Recorded: August 22, 2012.</p>
<p>RELATED LINKS</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"> <a title="LDS in the USA" href="http://www.amazon.com/LDS-USA-Mormonism-American-Culture/dp/1602583277/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1345697286&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=LDS+in+the+USA" target="_blank"><em>LDS in the USA: Mormonism and the Making of American Culture</em></a>, by Lee Trepanier and Lynita K. Newswander.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Faith in America" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi3X8yPdlEE" target="_blank">Mitt Romney&#8217;s &#8220;Faith in America&#8221; speech</a> at the George H.W. Bush Presidential Library (December 6, 2007).</p>
<p>RELATED PODCASTS</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Michael McBride on Religious Free-Riding and the Mormon Church" href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/church-organization/michael-mcbride-on-mormon-organization" target="_blank">Michael McBride on Religious Free-Riding and the Mormon Church</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Patrick Mason on Anti-Mormonism and Mitt Romney" href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/historical-topics/patrick-mason-on-anti-mormonism-and-mitt-romney" target="_blank">Patrick Mason on Anti-Mormonism and Mitt Romney</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a title="Allison Pond on Being a Mormon Missionary" href="http://www.researchonreligion.org/church-organization/allison-pond-on-being-a-mormon-missionary" target="_blank">Allison Pond on Being a Mormon Missionary</a>.</p>
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